The SEED

[Andrewb]

Hi Immy, thanks for the new technique, the ever evolving Aims, love it. A question though, the advantage of the seed was its low risk, with the Bud aren't we taking away that low risk? With the entry being above the seed if long but the SL at the low of the bud.

Cheers in advance.

I'm not Immy but I don't see where the extra RISK is ?

If you mean using a stop that is farther away, well, you can still put stop at Seed candle or adjust position size to keep risk the same.

Looks to me like these BUD candles are extra confirmation and will actually make a safer trade = less risk

I have been using BAR chart but hope Immy answer my question above soon.

Sorry it's not more risk as you can manage your lot size but in terms of pips it more, meaning more pips to get to 1:1 risk reward. As you have said it gives you more confirmation.

[immy]

Hi Immy,

Thanks for the new entry technique. I have a question.
Normally we take entry after SEED candle. If next candle after SEEDS form Bullish or Bearish BUD then it's ok as PO doesn't go live but if next candle form as Bullish/Bearish Outside BUD then it might be rent. My question is should we wait for one more candle after SEED or continue taking entry on SEED ?

Regards,
Sam

If you took the seed, you took the seed, if you did not take the seed and BUD appears, you use that, if the outside bearish or bullish bar stopped out your seed entry, you have chance to re-enter, but it does not always do that, so if it did not, you have confidence in staying in the trade. continue taking seeds as they appear, this is extra price pattern as apposed to replacement of seed.

I hope it makes sense

[immy]

Hi Immy, thanks for the new technique, the ever evolving Aims, love it. A question though, the advantage of the seed was its low risk, with the Bud aren't we taking away that low risk? With the entry being above the seed if long but the SL at the low of the bud.

Cheers in advance.

Hi Andrew

Yes, some buds may have longer tails, requiring slightly bigger SL but of course the lot size will reflect accordingly, but it gives you a price pattern that is "leading indicator", the bullish or bearish price pattern "predicts" a move, that adds to the odds in our favour. I hope it makes sense

ps: yes, I understand that the major major point of Seed, which sadly not many people have understood, is exactly what you mentionedn. It gives you Low Low risk entries with potential of many fold multiples of rewards. e.g. a 10 pip Seed with 150 pip reward in one wave.

[immy]

Hi Immy, thanks for the new technique, the ever evolving Aims, love it. A question though, the advantage of the seed was its low risk, with the Bud aren't we taking away that low risk? With the entry being above the seed if long but the SL at the low of the bud.

Cheers in advance.

Looks to me like these BUD candles are extra confirmation and will actually make a safer trade = less risk

Agreed!

[Andrewb]

Hi Immy, thanks for the new technique, the ever evolving Aims, love it. A question though, the advantage of the seed was its low risk, with the Bud aren't we taking away that low risk? With the entry being above the seed if long but the SL at the low of the bud.

Cheers in advance.

Hi Andrew

Yes, some buds may have longer tails, requiring slightly bigger SL but of course the lot size will reflect accordingly, but it gives you a price pattern that is "leading indicator", the bullish or bearish price pattern "predicts" a move, that adds to the odds in our favour. I hope it makes sense

ps: yes, I understand that the major major point of Seed, which sadly not many people have understood, is exactly what you mentionedn. It gives you Low Low risk entries with potential of many fold multiples of rewards. e.g. a 10 pip Seed with 150 pip reward in one wave.

Cheers Immy, I will certainly look into it.

[Darren]

Now I am looking a little more at the hourly charts I have a quick question about a seed trade that I don't think would have been a short trade as price went above the seed by 18 pips and slightly above the gator, but I am not sure.

In the chart below, I assume that you would put your PO below the seed as it is in a downtrend, but at what point would you delete the PO, if at all?

[francisrama]

Now I am looking a little more at the hourly charts I have a quick question about a seed trade that I don't think would have been a short trade as price went above the seed by 18 pips and slightly above the gator, but I am not sure.

In the chart below, I assume that you would put your PO below the seed as it is in a downtrend, but at what point would you delete the PO, if at all?

Hi Darren,

just for the pleasure of sharing my view -I'm sure more expert buddies will provide better guidance-

To me what's important = where does this SEED occur regarding the IMPULSE. If it were at the beginning, or in the middle of the IMPULSE, then yes I'd take it in the direction of the trend. I'd cancel the PO if the UP move goes upper that the last TOP. On the other hand, if it were close to the end of the IMPULSE, since there is also a FRUIT, I'd take it countertrend. So now = how can I know if it is at the middle or the nd of the IMPULSE? This is EW...e.g. if this is wave5, then decompose it into 5 subwaves...if this SEED occurs close to the end of subwave 5 of wave5, then I'd take it countertrend.

Hope I'm clear -not sure though...- ...

KR

[Darren]

Thanks for the reply Fran. That does all make sense.

Lets suppose the seed appeared after a stronger wave 3 than is shown on the chart, and the seed appeared after a bit of a retracement. You would leave the PO on unless the current price goes above the previous swing high, or Aims high? I am looking for some 'rule' as to when to cancel the PO. This has probably been discussed before so apologies if it has!

Cheers,

Darren

[immy]

Thanks for the reply Fran. That does all make sense.

Lets suppose the seed appeared after a stronger wave 3 than is shown on the chart, and the seed appeared after a bit of a retracement. You would leave the PO on unless the current price goes above the previous swing high, or Aims high? I am looking for some 'rule' as to when to cancel the PO. This has probably been discussed before so apologies if it has!

Cheers,

Darren

Hi Darren and Fran..

Firstly I'd say, I love such questions. This really shows that someone is out there trying ot learn to trade correctly and we all know that the reward of correct trading can be massive.

having said that, I agree 100% with Fran and I'd add this, if a couple of candle after a seed price doesn't break the low of the seed or does not form a BUD or Fruit in the direction of the trend (which the indicator will not show if the settings are not set it to show it , which is by default turned to not showing Frruit in the direction of trend) I'll ignore it.

Like Fran mentioned, First job for any trader is to Find What is The Trend . We do that using 2 things 1. Alligator mouth 2. eWave analysis. IF I see a wave 3 and a pull back I know I may be entering into a 5 of 3 or a new 5 but for new five i have to have evidence of wave 4 and its end. If the Seed appears at the end of a PC, confirming possible end of wave 4, I'll take it even if its within the gator mouth provided gator is not completely closed. This would help me get in before a fractal break hence reducing my risk and increasing my potential reward.

I hope it makes sense. I'll say again here
Fruit = Picking top and bottoms of waves. (could be impulse or corrective)
Seed = Picking tops and bottoms of Corrective waves within IMpulse waves

[immy]

Brinx

Welcome to AIMS Stress Free Trading Commuinty. Thank you for joining. You asked a question in chat which I could not answer while you were around because I was filling our warehouse with a container load of stuff. Some good exercise, no need to go to gym tonight haha

Your Question:
new to the seed concept..... can it be used on all time frames, or has H1 been determined to be the best?

Answer: (please forgive my complicated writing style just don't have time right now)
Immy: Hi Brinx... The Seed can be used on anytimeframe. As a matter of fact any AIMS entry technique can be used on any time frame. But the story of the Seed is different. We traded the Classic S1 and S2 setups and I always wanted an entry mechanism, a trading strategy suitable for those users who dont , for reasons of their own or technical reasons, trade or like trading the lower time frames. I said the basic Setup must be the foundation of that. I cannot go into Fractal Geometric nature of the market right now but I'll say this, that the market has a structure which is Fractal in nature. For that reason I found that a H1 Seed = M5 Classic S1 Setup. So that means that you can trade the m5 setups without the need of checking your charts every 5 mintues. By trading h1 you're risking only low number of pips that is equal to m5 level stops yet you're able to hit bit H1 level profits that is 100-150 pips. An m5 level S1 setup may require 15 pips but may stop you out within 30 or 50 pips whereas a Seed on H1 has the potential to run for 2-3 days grabbing on average 150 pips risking only 15 sometimes even 10 pips. that is huge risk reward. you can apply the same techniqeu to m15, where you'd be catching M1 level setups and gaining m15 level profits. IMHO this is really really good trading strategy. I hope this helps. more on this in the Seed and the Fruit Section of the forum. all the best 19:24